Monday, May 11, 2009

High Five

While we wait for Davy to respond to the last post's comments, I would like to put out some awards for greatness in several areas. I don't know what the "award" is, just a mention of our support and thanks.

Lets start with Carrie Prejean, besides being pretty, her award is for standing up for what she believes in. Her answer to a somewhat unfair Miss USA question was excellent, and becoming of any Christian. Oh and should I throw in my two bits about "tollarence" ah no, better not.

The second award goes to Mr. Mike Pearl and Mr. Bill Gothard, their resolving of differences, and misunderstandings was amazing to see. I think it's time some Independent Fundamental Baptist were "inspired" to "preserve" their kind if you know what I mean. But what do I know, I'm just a guy?

Third goes to Dick Cheney for telling a slightly out of touch Colin Powell how it is. As much as I like Mr. Powell, I believe that his thinking that the Republican party needs to move to the middle of the road is wrong. John McCain anyone?

Some lady, Casey Ray, gets the forth for good old fashion honesty. Sorry girls, vampries had to be somewhere here, JK JK don't kill me.

I kinda like this "award" thing, you will have to comment and tell me if you would like it continued.

Untill next time,
S-S

"Next time" edit 5/12/09
I have forgotten a fifth, Jey Leno, maybe if our politicians cared half as much for struggling people as Jey does, our country would not be in the state it's in. They are "Public Servants" remember?

Monday, April 27, 2009

Illusion Warped: Part 2

Now for the rest of the story.


OK, so Bret set the stage for my question so here it goes.


Aside from the debate on how much we should discuss about witchcraft. I think we all agree that a Christian should have no part of witchcraft. As it says in Revelations.

Revelation 21:8 (King James Version)

8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


The question is why don't most Christians mind that witchcraft and magic are part of the books, movies, etc. that they enjoy? For example two popular series that Christians tend to approve of LOTR, and Narnia both have magic and wizards as a main part of the story. I can't call myself a wizard and be a Christian, but as I Christian, I can read fictional stories about wizards? Can I justify it because it is a "good wizard"? Just typing" good wizard" seems like a oxymoron.

So my question is now out there, and I look forward to reading the opinions. This is a question that I haven't figured out for myself yet, but a nagging question that been in my head.

Also, unlike my esteemed partner in crime. I'm not out to offend anyone here. So if it happens I guess I'm sorry.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009

Illusion warped: Part 1

I believe that most or all of the people still reading this blog (thanks) believe is witchcraft and the like. If not please come talk to me, I have some people I'd like you to meet.

The question,
Do you believe that that magic* when practiced a certain "right" way i.e. saying abracadabra three times real fast, while jumping on a dead pig, listening to rock music, waving a wand at your newspaper astrology page" will ALWAYS produce the desired affect? Or, is it a hit and miss operation?

This is a much more important question then it appears to be, answer carefully.


*Meaning "n. 1.The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural."


Oh, and this was written to be offensive to as many groups of people as possible, so this includes your group, sorry, but you don't have to read.

Saturday, February 28, 2009

Introduction

Well as it seems that I have the honor(?) to be a part of Bret's blog. I figured that it would be time to add to it. First as I really don't know that many here I figured I would quickly introduce myself. Lets see, early years raised by Christian parents, home schooled, went to baptist church, Dad was a preacher. Teen years moved to Bear Lake went to a Mennonite/Anabaptist church, meet Bret around, boy must be ten years or so ago. Currently I'm a mature adult married to the best woman in the world, with three girls age 5,3,1. Going to a baptist church in the area we live.

Bret and I have chewed the fat over many things over the years, and we both know the other guy well enough to figure where the other is coming from. But for the rest of you when I state opinions or facts they come in three varieties.

1. As a Christan this is most important for me . The Bible says it, I do it. I know interpreting what the bible says isn't clear cut. But for the most part it isn't as hard as we think. When I try to figure what the bible is saying I tend to interpret it in the plainest way possible. Hmm the Bible reads that God created the world in six days? Awesome, thats what happened end of debate.
2. Somethings in the Bible isn't as clear or it doesn't specifically address(TV,music,etc). In these topics I'm very careful to saying thus saith the Lord. It's more of a case where I see biblical pattern, or read a passage to be saying one thing but not 100% about it. An example would be how my wife and girls wear dresses most of the time. The Bible never says Women should wear dresses. But at this point for my family we see biblical patterns(modesty, opposite sexes dressing differently) that we decided to do what we do. In no way would I say fit's a sin for woman to wear pants, because the Bible never states that it is a sin.
3. Last but not least a personal opinion or thought. As in I like cake, or I don't like cheese.

So to end this I'm honored to be a part of this blog. I know Bret and I both share the same desire to debate and shake thing up. To often we just to the same things in ourChristian life's we then get comfortable and then in a few generations it accepted as religion without any Bible backing. Many examples I could give but there would go future post.

Saturday, February 7, 2009

Monday, January 19, 2009

On the eve of "change we can count on", we here at Life Commentary are introducing some changes also.
Mr. Dave
Curtiss has joined our crack team of reporters, and editors. Mr. Curtiss has much experience in this field, along with an excellent debate mind, and a practical application opinions. He has permission to say anything and everything, and has the full backing of Life Commentary. We thank him for accepting the invitation to join our commentary, and hope that he will stay for many many moons to come. We hope you will respect him, as you do the others on our staff, but remember to challenge his thinking at every chance. We are confident that he can hold his own.


We have a
remaining job opening to fill our minority requirements.
Wanted-
Girl
Asian
Smart (wait, that automatically goes with Asian) [Caleb quit laughing)
Cute (again, [most of] the time that automatically goes with Asian)
Again Caleb quit laughing...if only...


Thx,

Staff Editor S-S

Monday, December 29, 2008

Her Majesty's Christmas Message

"Christmas is a time for celebration, but this year it is a more sombre occasion for many. Some of those things which could once have been taken for granted suddenly seem less certain and, naturally, give rise to feelings of insecurity.

"People are touched by events which have their roots far across the world. Whether it is the global economy or violence in a distant land, the effects can be keenly felt at home.

"Once again, many of our service men and women are serving on operations in common cause to bring peace and security to troubled places.

"In this 90th year since the end of the First World War, the last survivors recently commemorated the service and enormous sacrifice of their own generation.

"Their successors in theatres such as Iraq and Afghanistan are still to be found in harm's way in the service of others. For their loved ones, the worry will never cease until they are safely home.

"In such times as these we can all learn something from the past. We might begin to see things in a new perspective. And certainly, we begin to ask ourselves where it is that we can find lasting happiness.

"Over the years those who have seemed to me to be the most happy, contented and fulfilled have always been the people who have lived the most outgoing and unselfish lives; the kind of people who are generous with their talents or their time.

"There are those who use their prosperity or good fortune for the benefit of others whether they number among the great philanthropists or are people who, with whatever they have, simply have a desire to help those less fortunate than themselves.

"What they offer comes in the form of what can easily be recognised as service to the nation or service to the wider community.

"As often as not however, their unselfishness is a simply taken-for-granted part of the life of their family or neighbourhood.

"They tend to have some sense that life itself is full of blessings, and is a precious gift for which we should be thankful.

"When life seems hard the courageous do not lie down and accept defeat; instead they are all the more determined to struggle for a better future.

"I think we have a huge amount to learn from individuals such as these. And what I believe many of us share with them is a source of strength and peace of mind in our families and friends.

"Indeed, Prince Philip and I can reflect on the blessing, comfort and support we have gained from our own family in this special year for our son, the Prince of Wales. Sixty years ago, he was baptised here in the Music Room at Buckingham Palace. As parents and grandparents, we feel great pride in seeing our family make their own unique contributions to society.

"Through his charities, the Prince of Wales has worked to support young people and other causes for the benefit of the wider community.

"At Christmas, we feel very fortunate to have our family around us. But for many of you, this Christmas will mean separation from loved ones and perhaps reflection on the memories of those no longer with us.

"I hope that, like me, you will be comforted by the example of Jesus of Nazareth who, often in circumstances of great adversity, managed to live an outgoing, unselfish and sacrificial life. Countless millions of people around the world continue to celebrate his birthday at Christmas, inspired by his teaching.

"He makes it clear that genuine human happiness and satisfaction lie more in giving than receiving; more in serving than in being served.

"We can surely be grateful that, two thousand years after the birth of Jesus, so many of us are able to draw inspiration from his life and message, and to find in him a source of strength and courage.

"I hope that the Christmas message will encourage and sustain you too, now and in the coming year.

"I wish you all a very happy Christmas."

Monday, November 17, 2008

An obamaination?

Ladies and gents, boys and girls, blacks and whites, old and young, fat and ugly...
*pause for laughter/disgust
...
the United States of America has voted for a new president and that man is Barack Obama. We here at LIFE congratulate him on his victory (albeit over our endorsed candidate) and wish him well on his quest to become a the next "great" president. (on the heels of a great president)

So here is the question as a people, nation, and news outlet, should we show him respect because he is our president? See back in the day the media would go at great length to do what it took to show respect to our president. Or should we rip into him by saying he is an idiot because he is change we cant believe in? Like our current media and people of this nation have done to president Bush. What is the right thing to do and why? Throw it all out here...use the Manifesto if you have to...

Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Monday, November 3, 2008

Monday, September 22, 2008

ALE81

Lets go in order (kinda)

First, September 11th

My heart goes out to those who lost family in the terrorist attacks, and the families of those who have died fighting the great threat of Islamic Terrorism. I would also like to thank the brave men and woman of our armed forces who are still fighting to keep the freedoms we currently enjoy. I thank George Bush for staying firm and not degrading to mud slinging, like so many of the "statesman" in Washington.

*Editors note: I generally don't get into the personal side of Bret Reed, but I feel that this is a very important subject and post.

Ok now on to the 12th

Happy anniversary to my mother and father, and happy birthday to dad.

Now lets go back in time a bit, and then come back ahead to the 12th. (that sounds weird)

A while back I was asked a couple of questions that needed to make their way to the blog eventually (kinda). The first was especially asked to be put here on the blog. The second question was not really intended to be directed to the blog, but I felt that I didn't do a good job answering it. I'll take another shot at it here. (the asker will remain anonymous, because I don't know if they wanted their name attached)

Where do you get your morality (or lack of it) from, how does it affect you, and what makes you chose to believe what you believe? I know most of you reading this will say that the Bible is what you believe, and that you follow Jesus Christ. What makes makes you believe this? Think well about your answer. (my personal answer after the next question)

What does "born again" mean to you?

I apologize for not following this verse very well. 1 Peter 3:15 (KJV) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

“Born again” Is when someone first becomes a Christian. A man by the name of Nicodemus asked Jesus about it in John chapter 3. Ok so how do you “first become a Christian” or how are you “born again” or “saved”? Many believe that you can be “born again” through good works, or being baptized or many other good works. The Bible clearly states that there is nothing we can do to work our way to heaven (the major problem with most religions today)

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Here is what the Bible says you do have to do.

Acts 2:21 (King James Version) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

To tie the questions together, here is my story and why I believe the Bible. Even though my world view may be limited I have seen enough to convince me that the Bible is totally correct. I've heard most or all of the arguments for and against the Bible. While there are good points both ways, nothing can change what I have seen God do in my life my, my parents lives, and Christians all around me.

This link offers 10 reasons that can also not be refuted.

Ok, so here is my story about how I became a Christian.

As most of you know our family lived in WI for the first half of my life. During that time we attended the Greater Point Baptist Church (pastored by Woody Bamgardner) I am sure you have heard of CBH Ministries, Children's Bible Hour, Keys for kids, Uncle Charlie, Adventures in Odyssey, Sugar Creek Gang etc. When I was younger I really liked things like that (still do, just don't listen to it much) well they, I think CBH, put out a monthly booklet for kids, I don't remember the name of it. Anyway it had things in it like "fill in the blank" look here in your Bible and write this verse here, and in the first booklet, last question was "Have you ever been Born Again" or something like that. I don't remember much at all about this part, but I think I asked my mom, who was helping me because I didn't know how to write or anything, what it meant. What she said or I prayed or when exactly the date was I don't at all remember, but I do know that she wrote it in the booklet. O and you sent the booklet back in and they sent it back with a grade. I remember getting it back saying "Congratulations" signed by the part that the date was written.

Many years passed...

For whatever reasons I began to have doubts "Am I imagining what I did" "did I say it right." This went on for a long time. On and on until the BBFC had their Basic LIFE Principles Seminar, and Bill Gothard talked about doubts of salvation etc. He managed to list EVERY doubt I had right in a row. He told a story about a man having doubts especially about the "date," "his age when he was saved," and all the rest. One day the man was mowing his lawn, had the doubts, and couldn't stand it anymore. Bill said the man got it settled going to the barn by taking a board and writing on it the date and time and praying for salvation right there.
(KJV) Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
After I heard that I was kinda like, "well thats nice but once saved always saved" but the doubts were still there and maybe even more so. Another not so long a time passed. In September our church always has it's "campmeeting," after the first couple of services it was time to get it settled. On September 12, 2007 I prayed the "Sinners Prayer" and was Born Again. Praise the Lord! I wrote down the date on a board, and put it in the ground under a tree I was kneeling by. I cannot thank Him enough! I felt so free of guilt and sin.

I hope that if anyone has any questions that they will email me, and I will do my best to answer them.


Thx,

Staff Editor S-S



Thursday, August 7, 2008

The Sacred Cow Barbecue: Part III

My friend (that was weird to type) Rhonda sent me this article and the writer (Kristi) was kind enough to let me copy and paste it.

As always my comments appear in italics. (sept for the Bible verses at the end)


Who's Right?

During the course of my life, I've interacted with many Christians of various persuasions. There have been the "conservative" and the "liberal" and anywhere inbetween. I'd say that a great percentage of the Christians I know believe in the Bible as God's Word and hold to basic orthodox beliefs about God the Trinity, the atonement, the second coming, the final judgment, etc. BUT I have become increasingly aware of the great differences in other areas, small or great.

Let's take group A. They love God, they love the Bible, and they study it diligently that they may apply it to their lives. They are probably also influenced by other sources, such as denominational precedents, books, teachers, the culture, etc.

Let's take group B. They love God, they love the Bible, and they study it diligently that they may apply it to their lives. They are probably also influenced by other sources, such as denominational precedents, books, teachers, the culture, etc.

Looks like they should be in unity, right? Wrong. Between groups A and B (and even individuals within those groups) you can be sure to find differences of belief in areas such as:
-Eternal security
-Women's attire (including pants, jewelry, and head coverings)
-Women's role in society and the church
-Music
-Dancing
-Sabbath keeping
-When the Tribulation will be
-Alcohol consumption
-Courtship/dating
-Education
-Food
-"Family planning"
-Probably more that I can't think of at present

Some may be neutral on one subject because they really don't consider it important or it doesn't affect them, while others will strongly argue their position one way or the other, even giving Scriptures to support it. On either side of an argument, you can find someone who is dogmatic and carnal, and you can find someone who is loving and spiritual.

I wonder what a new believer thinks when they start seeing all this division in the church. Granted, even in New Testament times there appear to have been disagreements about certain subjects (like eating meat offered to idols). But I wonder if there is more dichotomy now than ever. Of course I don't know. Is it a reflection of the end times or that the world has crept so much into the church? Has the culture affected the church more than the church has affected the culture? Can we always know the exact right or wrong on an issue? Does what I believe as right make every opposing view wrong? Unlikely.

Spot-on!!! I couldn't agree more. It would do Christians some good to read Romans 14 a bit more often then we do. I believe that the things she mentioned are really minor. I feel that we miss the major points (read: Ten Commandments) and try and hit the minor points. How do you think it looks to people who are not Christians? Nothing against standards, beliefs, and opinions (like this one) but people take things way to far (again, like this).

Just throwing out some food for thought. I guess the best way to know the truth is to keep connected with the Source of Truth, Jesus. Thank God for the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, Who is there to show us the way one step at a time! This morning I read this:

For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strenghtened with might by His Spirit in the inner man; that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth and height; and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. Eph. 3:14-19

What say you?

Great questions Kristi, thank you for allowing me to share it.


Sunday, July 6, 2008

Ok some things that need to be stated...

1. It looks like a few of you aren't ready to write the 10 commandments yet, thats ok, we"ll be waiting...JK

2. For the moment the few guys on this blog will remain on our side of the barbed wire with regard to the schooling debate. One day in the near future our opinions will be said, as it has come to my attention over the last few weeks that it is of more importance, and debate then I had realized at the time I posted it. I had intended it to be a filler before a "Main Event" (which will come soon) but now it will be a debate that has to go on... later

3. As it has already been a crazy start to the summer, and looks like it will continue as such, I doubt that I'll be able to keep up with posting as much as I'd like. I will do my best as some great topics are in the bag like Ron Paul and (something), morals, more BBQing, who I'm voting for and why, and of course more about schooling (sorry kitty, but it must continue)



4.I have been tagged by hamburg, to name my favorite book and such. Normally I do not like this sort of thing (this time is no different) and this is not a personal blog. That being said, before this occasion I was planing on putting up a chat box just for people to discuss any book they are reading, want to read or whatever...



Ok, so, I normally don't like Candorville, but when I saw these two, I had to put them on.

Saturday, June 28, 2008

The Sacred Cow Barbecue: Part II

In this next edition of the debate on symbolism, that I have decided to affectionately call, The Sacred Cow Barbecue (shut-up dave, quit laughing) now where was I at...

O yeah "the next edition", for all of you who think you know all these things are wrong (and they're not), and all you people who have no standards, or convictions (JK), I pose this question...



(without looking at your Bible, asking someone, or anything else)


...


drum roll...


...


do you know what the 10 Commandments are?
(added 6/28/08) (I don't care about the order you put them in)

Friday, May 23, 2008

Well Ladies and Gents it's over...

I know what you are thinking, and you are wrong. Nope, this blog is not ending, not while there are some very good and controversial items to talk about. I'm kind of waiting for the last post to die, and this is what they call "filler."

O yeah, about the "over" part, "what is over" you ask? Nothing more then the Bear Lake High School Graduation. The only reason that is significant is because (for lack of a better term) it is "my class." To commemorate the event I would like to ask you all a few questions.

#1-Type(s) of high schooling you have been a part of. (home, public,and (or) private school)

#2-What you like about the type(s) of schooling you have gotten.

#3-What you don't like about the type(s) of schooling you have gotten.

#4-How you think your schooling compares to the others mentioned. (those with multiple types of schooling obviously have a preferred opinion)

#5-Any other thoughts on this matter.



Tuesday, April 15, 2008

Symbolism

I have been hesitant to post something, because there are many younger people who view this blog, and maybe some newer Christians. The Bible has strong words for those who offend little ones, and for people who are stumbling- blocks. I do not want you to take what I say the wrong way. I don't know if you understand what I'm trying to get across. Please, if you have any questions, comment in the comment section or email me. I am not trying to go against your church's or family's policy but solely stating my own opinion. Chances are, that at some point while you are reading this post and the ensuing comments you will be entirely creeped out.


Viewer discretion is advised. Thank you.

The editor


Ok, here we go, I stand to get in trouble with most of you, but thats ok, I've been in "hot water" before.

The topic: Symbolism *everyone in chorus "what on earth"*
That page was just a start, and not quite what I'm talking about. Obviously "A""B""C"..., the swastika and many other things are are "symbols." I am not talking about these things.

I'm talking about cultural symbols and perceptions, and why I despise most of these, in our great American culture.

Lets take for example, alcohol, it is strongly preached against, and for whatever reason if you claim to be a Christian and someone who is not a Christian sees you drinking a beer (or whatever) they might wounder why they should become a Christian. BUT there is nothing in the Bible the directly says that alcohol is wrong accept "wherein is excess" You are welcome to debate me on this, but you will lose.

Or how about pink, why is it it "feminine," or why has the homosexual group taken it along with the rainbow as their "symbol?" I thought the rainbow was God's?

Don't even get me started on girlfriends, music, "Rev." Jeremiah Wright's, but more on him later. Now, for the record, I have never drank, but pink is a way better color then yellow, orange, and green. It just ticks people off to see my Halo (video game) character wearing pink armor and killing them all the time, not to mention the funny comments I get for it.

The same goes for most of the pet peeves of parents, and pastors in "hard core" Christian churches (bad terminology I know) If you want to ask about a pet peeve, I'll debate it with you, but I'm trying to avoid any problems with people on this.


Here is what C.S. Lewis said in his Screwtape Letters-
Screwtape (a higher demon) is writing to his nephew (a new tempter) Wormwood.

Letter IX
"My dear Wormwood...*skips a paragraph* Never forget that when we are dealing with any pleasures in its healthy and normal and satisfying form, we are, in a sense, on the Enemy's ground. I know we have won many a soul through pleasure. All the same, it is His invention, not ours. He made the pleasure: all our research so far has not enabled us to produce one. All we can do is to encourage the humans to take the pleasures which our Enemy has produced, at times, or in ways, or in degrees, which He has forbidden. Hence we always try to work away from the natural condition of any pleasure to that in which it is least natural, least redolent of its Maker, and least pleasurable. An ever increasing craving for an ever diminishing pleasure is the formula. It is more certain; and it's better
style.

And what the said Mr. Wright had to say about it:
(listen to the whole thing, it's so funny and mostly true)


If you are an open minded individual, you have to admit he has a point.
Let me get this straight, sin is sin, period. I just disagree with making things sin (in a Biblical term) or wrong (from the world's point of view) that are not.
Somewhat like what Eve did in the garden of Eden:
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

You see God never said they can't touch it, He said:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Why then as a Church, family, or society do we make things wrong that are clearly not?

Sunday, April 13, 2008

WoW

I found this article, to relate to our earlier discussion on money. What do you think about it?
Ladies and gents, I would like to thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your support of this bloging venture. As I continue this Commentary alone your continued support should keep this blog from becoming another wasted space in the vast database that is Google. Your comments, opinions, questions, and answers have been, and will continue to be, the life blood of LIFE Commentary.


Thank you to all who voted "yea" (and the one who voted "nay") in the poll. Thank you "jimmy" for relinquishing command of LIFE, and I hope your continued adventure with
The Times in which we live goes vary well.


Thank you all,
the editor

Sunday, April 6, 2008

My sincerest apologies to the many readers of this blog... I did not read any of the comments to the post requesting that Bret post something until just now. I will reiterate what he said, and add some instructions to him while I'm at it. This is "jimmy" typing, and I am the blog administrator. Up to this point, the only power Bret has had over this blog is what I gave him; however, he has done a wonderful job of managing it, bringing more hits than it's parent site, "the times in which we live" ever recieved. For this reason, I propose that we hand over the administration to him, making this Bret's 'whatever i want to post on' blog. I will set up a poll in the column to your right, and we will take a vote to elect him blog administrator, at which point I will relenquish my current ownership.

Friday, March 28, 2008

The Powers that Be

This question was posted on my friend liberty's blog, she has kindly allowed me to post it here.


"Alright, all of you readers of this blog, I need y'all to give me your beliefs on the passage of Romans 13. The question I'm posing:

"Is Romans 13 speaking of submitting to government:
(1) in every aspect, at all times
(2) only if it is in accordance with God's principles
or
(3) Neither. It is speaking of spiritual leaders.

I'd appreciate all view points!"


My original reply-
"Using just Romans 13 I don't think I can make a legitimate argument for:
“(1) in every aspect, at all times.”
I don't think you could find anything, anywhere in the Bible to support this.
“(2) only if it is in accordance with God's principles.”
This is the position I support based on the whole Bible.
“(3) Neither. It is speaking of spiritual leaders.”
In the first part of the chapter it sounds like Paul is talking about government and in the last part it sounds like spiritual church leaders etc...
Personal opinion only, well hmm, I have to go with “spiritual leaders”

One other person commented there, but I didn't ask if it was ok to post it. Liberty, do you agree with any of my answers? If so I wont have to argue the points!